By torypaul2010 at 21:33 on 07/04/11
Glad to hear they are up and working in your part of the village Paul. Round here the pattern seems to be contractors turn up, dig a few holes, put up a few poles, disappear for several weeks, come back, put up a few more poles, but don't necessarily finish the ones they started last time, disappear again leaving more holes and poles with no lanterns. Haven't got a single one of the new lights working yet.
If I'm honest, I'd rather we had older street lighting and lower Council Tax. The HCC component of my Council Tax is ludicrous, so why waste money on street lights unnnecessarily..? Same applies to the road name signs that Eastleigh Borough has been replacing, because they are not reflective enough (apparently) for emergency services to see them. If we have got to make cuts to help reduce the deficit, these are the projects that should go first. And as every household is being squeezed financially at the moment, we actually need to be thinking about cutting Council Tax whenever these savings are found, not just freezing it. That's my position. Or it would be if I was standing this year...!
I respect your position TGR, However, I must tell you about a little personal story that as in fact worked/served me very well over many years, it is linked in a way to the new lighting, which I would hope you will see the merit in, It started many years ago when I bought an electrical item from curry's or comet (can't remember which or what) when I arrived at the cashiers till, a long and laborious sales pitch ensued to sell me extra insurance/warranty cover for when that statutory expired, it was as much as I could do to get the cashier to accept that fact that I didn't want it, and simply wanted to pay for my goods, eventually he gave in and let me pay, anyway, the point I was trying to make is that technology moves on so fast these days, that when and I would hope you have a good few years more than the standard warranty, the said electrical no longer works that you actually want to replace it with the new fangled all singing all dancing one, it will use less electric will do the job the old one did more effectively and more efficiently, and in time will cost you less, some people don't like change, but change is good and we should embrace it. I would hope that this new technology will cost us less in time....!
By torypaul2010 at 20:50 on 09/04/11
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I'm sticking to my position ToryPaul. In the current economic climate, with falling living standards for every household in the country, Council Tax needs to be cut. Not frozen. I mean reduced. Substantially reduced. The largest component of my Council Tax bill goes to HCC, so I think that's where the chainsaw needs to be wielded. Instead of cuttting essential services, it is the desirable projects like new-fangled street lighting and fancy road-signs that we should be considering first. Even if they are flagship projects...!
Before you think I'm anti-Tory, Jerry Halls leaflet headed "Time to Revitalize" which dropped through our lettterboxes today genuinely impressed me. He's hit the nail firmly on the head.
Amongst other things, that leaflet referred to Lib Dems "deflecting attention by indulging in prestigious projects" and that they should be "spending money where it is most needed NOT on speculative hotel development".
As it happens, I don't have a huge problem with the hotel development, having been supportive of it previously. I'm actually more concerned about what else our Council Tax might be discretely "invested" in, but Jerry's right really and it seems to me that he's essentially making the same point that I am here about the street lamps...!
We are going to have to agree to disagree then TGR, I firmly believe that the new lights are money well spent; anything that improves the failing orangey yellow ones to promote safer streets for children, pedestrians and motorists gets my vote, before you even look at the future cost savings! With regards to Jerry's 2nd campaign leaflet that my seven year old put through your letter box yesterday morning, Jerry is referring more towards the 30 Million Pound of borrowed money (Yes Borrowed) the Borough Council wants to use for the Rose Bowl Hotel, they have now been given a ceiling of 86 Million to borrow for worthwhile investment opportunities, Jerry is referring to this and other grand schemes like moving of the Civic offices, this is where I understand why you have some sympathy towards his "Time to Revitalize" Leaflet. I don't feel that you are anti any party, but do feel that you should consider using your time to channel your thoughtful words into action, I do feel most of your opinions are very well placed and mostly rite, Nail your colors to the mast and be part of the solution TGR!
By torypaul2010 at 22:04 on 10/04/11
ReportJust one other point worth a mention, I hope that the Borough Council gets it's investments correct, or we will all be paying for the losses in higher Council Tax bills in the future no doubt?
By torypaul2010 at 22:13 on 10/04/11
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Yes, I'd noticed that happening all over Hedge End Maggie09. Its a very good point that you raise. Somebody needs to pull their finger out and get the job finished. Mind you, the workmen haven't actually started digging holes in the road where I live, despite Southern Electric putting a leaflet through my letterbox in January telling me that the work was imminent...!
ROFL. Nice one Maggie. I'm beginning to wonder if HCC have taken up my suggestion of dropping the project...!
Actually HCC have got previous on this sort of thing. Do you remember how long the (rented @ God knows how much per day) scaffolding was stood around the old Chapel at Royal Victoria Park, before HCC actually got around to doing the repair work...?
What a waste...!
Why the new street lights?
It's simple - thousands of older street lights are in a poor condition and need replacing. Some are more than 40 years old and just don't meet modern standards. Orange light makes it more difficult to see colours at night and the older designs shine light in all directions, including into the night sky. The new white lighting will be directed onto roads and pavements, helping to reduce traffic accidents, crime (and the fear of crime) and make the streets safer.
Work on replacing the old lights started in 2010 and will take 5 Years to complete in our County; some parts of Hedge End have already seen the new lights installed. But many of us wondering when they will arrive in our street, well Hedge End St. Johns is planned to be completed between October 2013 and March 2014. If you go to http://tinyurl.com/432ls2h this will show you a map of the improvements by date and area, hope this helps?
By torypaul2010 at 21:29 on 11/08/11
ReportWell we've finally got the new street lights where I live, and the ubiquitous unfilled holes surround by safety barriers. They're white lights rather than orange and still screwed to Telegraph Poles. No new lamp standards have been installed. I agree with ToryPaul that the new lights are brighter, but brightness isn't everything. We still seem to have the same shadows and dark spots in the cul-de-sac. There might even be a few more dark areas actually, because of the way the new light is shrouded to prevent light leakage into the sky. The pavement outside my neighbours house, underneath the new light, is very well lit, but I'm not sure I'd say the same for the rest of the cul-de-sac...!
Well, I have to admit the hole at the end of my road has actually been filled in with the new street light up and running! I agree that the new lighting is very bright and much improved indeed. However, it does however show up the shame of all the pot holes in the roads in Hedge End. Does this mean we can get our roads up to a better standard next? Or am I just pushing my luck.
Well, I have to admit the hole at the end of my road has actually been filled in with the new street light up and running! I agree that the new lighting is very bright and much improved indeed. However, it does however show up the shame of all the pot holes in the roads in Hedge End. Does this mean we can get our roads up to a better standard next? Or am I just pushing my luck.
Yes. The hole in our pavement has also been filled in now and the barriers removed. I'm still not too keen on the new light though. My theory is that it needs to be higher to illuminate the cul-de-sac properly. Fixing it to a Telegraph pole hasn't worked. Its too low...!
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